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Post by crimsoncommand on Mar 24, 2015 3:47:37 GMT -7
In playing X, there is a strong romance between Tidus and Yuna. One of the better in Final Fantasy in my opinion. I used to like VIII's but I think X is stronger. How do you think Square handles romance? Do you like the majority of them? Which do you think is strongest?
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Post by banedrom on Mar 24, 2015 6:55:20 GMT -7
Final Fantasy VIII was pretty much my introduction to romance. In my memory, it is a good love story. I have not played it as an adult, but I would hope that it still holds up.
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Post by crimsoncommand on Mar 25, 2015 3:26:01 GMT -7
I think VIII is still good, I just played it a few months ago, but I don't think it was developed as well as X. To be honest, I'm not a big romance fan but I think it is an important part to storytelling because it is a strong human emotion.
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Post by lightsage on Mar 26, 2015 10:35:29 GMT -7
There are very few of the Final Fantasy relationships that I look at and think "That's a bad couple." I've always thought that Square was very solid in forming and building the relationships between characters.
I have a soft spot for Zack and Aerith (their relationship is explored more in Crisis Core than the original Final Fantasy VII), Cloud and Tifa, Zidane and Garnet/Dagger, and Tidus and Yuna.
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Post by oxbellows on Mar 26, 2015 12:06:42 GMT -7
There are very few of the Final Fantasy relationships that I look at and think "That's a bad couple." I've always thought that Square was very solid in forming and building the relationships between characters. I have a soft spot for Zack and Aerith (their relationship is explored more in Crisis Core than the original Final Fantasy VII), Cloud and Tifa, Zidane and Garnet/Dagger, and Tidus and Yuna. Zack and Aerith alllll day! That's the one that speaks to me the most for whatever reason. It kind of bothers me when people think that Cloud and Aerith were actually a thing. |
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Post by gammonstark on Mar 27, 2015 0:04:43 GMT -7
Shadow and Interceptor.
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Post by crimsoncommand on Mar 27, 2015 2:55:06 GMT -7
There are very few of the Final Fantasy relationships that I look at and think "That's a bad couple." I've always thought that Square was very solid in forming and building the relationships between characters. I have a soft spot for Zack and Aerith (their relationship is explored more in Crisis Core than the original Final Fantasy VII), Cloud and Tifa, Zidane and Garnet/Dagger, and Tidus and Yuna. You know, I didn't think about that one. Aerith and Zack had a very sad relationship. It was done very well. In my opinion, VII was probably my favorite. It wasn't overpowering but it was always there. The romance was more complicated and real to me for some reason. |
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Post by gammonstark on Mar 28, 2015 8:44:38 GMT -7
The romance is a key part of FF. I wonder if this is one if the reasons I did not enjoy 13 as much. The romance was in the background or we only saw Snow's frustration and Lightning's disapproval. Sure, a nice exploration of relationships between the characters, but no Romance.
FF6 had a interesting love story. If this were a typical game, you'd think that Locke (the "main" guy) and Terra the "main" girl) would end up as the featured romance. Instead there are some interesting twists and developments.
Some FF games give us the illusion of choice when it comes to romance, would it be possible to give us real choice in the future? Or would that undo part of what makes the game Final Fantasy? The more threads you add, the less you can flesh out each on to have a real impact on the story?
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Post by crimsoncommand on Mar 29, 2015 11:27:17 GMT -7
I don't think choice as far as a similarity to Fable or Dragon Age would add anything to Final Fantasy. I think the reason FF is so great is that it is a solid story with a solid ending and beginning. If too many threads are added, I fear the integrity of the storyline could fall apart. Romance in those choice games are always a second thought and they become a minor side quest instead of an integral part of the story.
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Post by Shinryu on Mar 29, 2015 12:47:34 GMT -7
IV, VI, VII and XII did decent romance.
VIII and X and XIII really did it well I think.
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Post by banedrom on Mar 29, 2015 16:29:21 GMT -7
IV, VI, VII and XII did decent romance. VIII and X and XIII really did it well I think. I think some might consider there being a romantic theme to parts of FF VI. It might be more subtle, but I think that it is there. |
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Post by Battman on Mar 30, 2015 22:12:44 GMT -7
I like romance in FF games. It just adds greater motivation for the characters. I liked the relationship in 8 better than 10, but I think Cecil and Rosas relationship helped drive the story better than both those games.
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Post by crimsoncommand on Apr 1, 2015 4:16:44 GMT -7
I like romance in FF games. It just adds greater motivation for the characters. I liked the relationship in 8 better than 10, but I think Cecil and Rosas relationship helped drive the story better than both those games. Agreed about IV. That was pretty big driving element to the story. It was the same in VIII, but not until the third disc. I liked X because it lead up to a very emotional end between them. It showed the evolution of their relationship much better than even some books and movies which is a powerful argument for games as an expressive art form. |
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Post by schnitzeltime on Apr 4, 2015 18:23:31 GMT -7
I agree with crimsoncommand above and also would like to add that I think FFX and final fantasy in general does romances pretty well for not making it this ridiculous romp like what you would find in Mass effect or Dragon Age. I know I'm not the only one who clicked the juicy options in bioware games just to get to the feisty fanservice at the end... and that's all well and good but I've never felt like I created a real romance (except in KOTOR with Bastila) by doing those. I think the romances are definitely an art like you say because they don't shove sex and lust down our throats at the climax so to speak of the love story. Sure Tidus and Yuna had a nice kiss, but the real climax
**SPOILERS**
was when Yuna tells Tidus that she loves him before he fades away. That's honestly a whole lot more gripping than a sex scene, but this is coming from a guy who openly enjoys watching The Notebook so I may just be a bit more ooey gooey than most dudes about that stuff.
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Post by crimsoncommand on Apr 5, 2015 11:29:39 GMT -7
I agree with crimsoncommand above and also would like to add that I think FFX and final fantasy in general does romances pretty well for not making it this ridiculous romp like what you would find in Mass effect or Dragon Age. I know I'm not the only one who clicked the juicy options in bioware games just to get to the feisty fanservice at the end... and that's all well and good but I've never felt like I created a real romance (except in KOTOR with Bastila) by doing those. I think the romances are definitely an art like you say because they don't shove sex and lust down our throats at the climax so to speak of the love story. Sure Tidus and Yuna had a nice kiss, but the real climax **SPOILERS** was when Yuna tells Tidus that she loves him before he fades away. That's honestly a whole lot more gripping than a sex scene, but this is coming from a guy who openly enjoys watching The Notebook so I may just be a bit more ooey gooey than most dudes about that stuff. Very well said. I'm not a big romance guy, but Square does it better than most. Sex should not be the climax of a story because it's not the peak of human emotion and experience. |
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